tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post8073128989475520776..comments2023-12-17T13:19:52.073+02:00Comments on Our Shiputzim: A Work In Progress: A shining example of Ahavat Yisrael (NOT!)Mrs. S.http://www.blogger.com/profile/14649082640953110457noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-48856591383121408032009-11-26T21:05:03.284+02:002009-11-26T21:05:03.284+02:00Lauram - Very good point. This post is only about ...Lauram - Very good point. This post is only about one very specific school and should certainly not be taken as a generalization about all haredi seminaries.Mrs. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14649082640953110457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-41706027838570611732009-11-26T09:16:27.985+02:002009-11-26T09:16:27.985+02:00I agree; really disturbing, but by no means univer...I agree; really disturbing, but by no means universal. Last year I had 4 girls from four different ultra-charedi seminaries visit our "mizrachi" community. They loved it and did not seem to have had any issues from their sems.lauramnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-2793900184650652822009-11-25T18:23:50.946+02:002009-11-25T18:23:50.946+02:00OneTiredEma - I'm shocked, shocked...
;-)OneTiredEma - I'm shocked, shocked...<br />;-)Mrs. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14649082640953110457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-85536610437931362682009-11-25T12:25:15.546+02:002009-11-25T12:25:15.546+02:00Mrs. S., the size of the mall alone...and it has l...Mrs. S., the size of the mall alone...and it has like five cafes. (oh, and a movie theater)OneTiredEmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786020912408441766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-9538285380371295952009-11-24T13:38:29.952+02:002009-11-24T13:38:29.952+02:00OneTiredEma - "Well, if where you are is mere...OneTiredEma - "<i>Well, if where you are is merely not allowed, where I am is Sodom in comparison!</i>"<br />LOL! Yes, your community is well known for its orgies. You really MUST invite me to the next one...<br />:-)<br /><br />Anonymous - "<i>I highly doubt they would *forbid* their girls from going to Beitar for Shabbat.</i>"<br />I agree with you. And I'm pretty sure that Kiryat Sefer (aka Modiin Illit) is fine too.Mrs. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14649082640953110457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-13494994029268021782009-11-22T19:52:13.704+02:002009-11-22T19:52:13.704+02:00I doubt it has much to do with the green line. I h...I doubt it has much to do with the green line. I highly doubt they would *forbid* their girls from going to Beitar for Shabbat.<br /><br />IMHO, the worst part of this sickening piece of news is that I'm sure that some of the parents of these girls would support such policies. They don't want to *pollute* their girls with your Zionist MOdox hashkafah.<br /><br />(BTW - I get called "Mizrachi" all the time in my charedi neighborhood. As in "oh, you're not charedi? so you're Mizrachi?")Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-2553691299879986982009-11-22T18:43:52.856+02:002009-11-22T18:43:52.856+02:00Well, if where you are is merely not allowed, wher...Well, if where you are is merely not allowed, where I am is Sodom in comparison!<br /><br />I guess this excuses me from hosting seminary girls, although our shul is recruiting to host chayalim from Nativ Hagiur. Maybe next year when my Hebrew is better.OneTiredEmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12786020912408441766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-76460592840793021742009-11-22T17:47:00.609+02:002009-11-22T17:47:00.609+02:00tesyaa - Great idea. But until someone publishes s...tesyaa - Great idea. But until someone publishes such a list, parents just have to know which questions to ask the schools.Mrs. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14649082640953110457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-60601298455884739712009-11-22T03:23:54.707+02:002009-11-22T03:23:54.707+02:00Can anyone publish a list of "normal" se...Can anyone publish a list of "normal" seminaries?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-37283106318166540492009-11-19T22:27:40.696+02:002009-11-19T22:27:40.696+02:00Toby - Amen!
(And I like the way you capitalized t...Toby - Amen!<br />(And I like the way you capitalized the "A"...)<br /><br />Ilana-Davita - Exactly. Because I'm sure that it doesn't occur to most parents to inquire if their daughters will be allowed to visit their relatives...Mrs. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14649082640953110457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-6000878564177646552009-11-19T09:35:04.263+02:002009-11-19T09:35:04.263+02:00Sad and sad. Also not very considerate towards the...Sad and sad. Also not very considerate towards the friends and relatives who might be concerned. But I suppose thse schools don't care. Not shaming other people is not on their agenda.<br />I agree that parents in the States should be warned and check beforehand that the school matches their hashkafah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-27374999067326846152009-11-19T09:22:56.178+02:002009-11-19T09:22:56.178+02:00Wow - I just saw this now. How upsetting! Having u...Wow - I just saw this now. How upsetting! Having us (in Efrat) technically being on the politically incorrect side of the green line has made this kind of thing an issue before, but I'd never heard of a policy as patently awful as that one! Sheesh. Here's hoping for Achdut YisrAel bimhera beyamenu.tobyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02539537363084834903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-72156106897301321152009-11-19T00:22:09.620+02:002009-11-19T00:22:09.620+02:00Batya - So, an address like mine (Shiloh) would pr...Batya - <i>So, an address like mine (Shiloh) would probably be double-banned.</i><br />Sadly, you're probably right...<br />:-(Mrs. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14649082640953110457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-42464678843712129462009-11-18T07:13:03.785+02:002009-11-18T07:13:03.785+02:00So, an address like mine (Shiloh) would probably b...So, an address like mine (Shiloh) would probably be double-banned. Over thirty years ago, when Neve Yerushaliym was new and in Bayit V'Gan, we used to host girls every Shabbat. Someone onced asked me how they permitted the girls in our very Zionist home. "Simple," I'd say, "They were desparate; I never refused."Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-31012650713248613762009-11-17T23:36:16.612+02:002009-11-17T23:36:16.612+02:00Leora - It's very disturbing, on so many level...Leora - It's very disturbing, on so many levels...<br /><br />Yaffa - IMHO, the fact that it's "<i>unfortunately, not at all surprising</i> is probably the saddest part of all...<br /><br />Baila - Part of the problem is that in certain circles, some of the less chareidi schools (such as the institution which I was privileged to have attended) are no longer considered to be viable options for girls today. It's all about the holy shidduch resume, you see, and apparently the less chareidi schools don't have the same cachet.Mrs. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14649082640953110457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-33555176033451439432009-11-17T23:27:03.740+02:002009-11-17T23:27:03.740+02:00Safra-knit - sucky is a technical term, you know -...Safra-knit - <i>sucky is a technical term, you know</i> - LOL!:-)<br /><br />Abbi - <i>What I don't get is why Americans send their daughters to these places.</i> I think that most parents aren't aware of these schools' crazy rules. Or else, they just shrug and say, "Well, you know, that's how they do things in Eretz Yisr<b>O</b>el." (Note the "o" in the last word...)<br /><br />Miriam - <i>which says a lot for the school.</i><br />Very true... :-(Mrs. S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14649082640953110457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-4979960155531776042009-11-17T23:16:35.952+02:002009-11-17T23:16:35.952+02:00I think parents need to be very careful about wher...I think parents need to be very careful about where they are sending their kids for the year. The school has to be a good fit for the kid and for the family's hashkafah. I see parents sending their sons and daughters to chareidi or chareidi-type schools and then are surprised when their kids come back frummer than the pope and want to be supported indefinitely because they want to get married before they are able to support themselves. <br /><br />What you describe is totally insulting to me, but if the parents don't like the policy, their daughters shouldn't be in the school. And if they didn't know of the policy--well that's something they should have asked beforehand.Bailahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14115498582378133552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-3743445017519522252009-11-17T20:27:45.587+02:002009-11-17T20:27:45.587+02:00I have been insulted on your behalf since I found ...I have been insulted on your behalf since I found out about this policy. Absolutely ridiculous, but, unfortunately, not at all surprising.Yaffa/Yitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00543529244389694026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-84352776287248503602009-11-17T11:24:16.253+02:002009-11-17T11:24:16.253+02:00I would like my daughter (who is only 7) to go to ...I would like my daughter (who is only 7) to go to Midreshet Netofa. Guaranteed she would be able to visit relatives, since my cousins live on that Yishuv (Mitzpeh Netofa).<br /><br />That does sound awfully nasty.Leorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12303493764579879710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-68985553956343321682009-11-17T10:57:44.146+02:002009-11-17T10:57:44.146+02:00If you live in a place that the school has never h...If you live in a place that the school has never heard of than visits are allowed. So the problem with where you live is the fame, which says a lot for the school.Miriamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-45680154514672681852009-11-17T10:08:13.750+02:002009-11-17T10:08:13.750+02:00Ah yes, welcome to the world of charedi seminaries...Ah yes, welcome to the world of charedi seminaries. My inlaws in katamon have been dealing with this for years when their nieces and cousins have come for the year. <br /><br />What I don't get is why Americans send their daughters to these places.Truly unbelievable. I've heard shocking stories of seminaries that lock the girls in after a certain time and shut of electricity for "lights out"!!!Commenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3089133433897831130.post-51700371915612165602009-11-17T08:55:07.959+02:002009-11-17T08:55:07.959+02:00Wow...that is pretty sucky! (sucky is a technical ...Wow...that is pretty sucky! (sucky is a technical term, you know) I'm pretty shocked, but I guess I shouldn't be... It is just a warning whom not to invite to begin with!Safranit (Safra-knit)http://israhome.blogsome.comnoreply@blogger.com